Hillary Clinton told lawmakers during closed-door testimony that she 'never met Jeffrey Epstein'

nbcnews.com·By Dareh Gregorian, Ryan Nobles, Kyle Stewart and Lizzie Jensen
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Noticeable — persuasion techniques worth noting

This article tries to convince you that the congressional investigation into the Clintons' ties to Jeffrey Epstein is just political theater to deflect attention from former President Trump's own connections. It wants you to believe the Clintons are victims of partisan attacks and have little useful information to offer, while suggesting the committee should really be looking at Trump instead. The article supports this view by highlighting the Clintons' claims of political motivation and downplaying the reasons why their testimony might be genuinely important.

FATE Analysis

Four dimensions of psychological manipulation: how content captures Focus, exploits Authority, triggers Tribal identity, and engineers Emotion.

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FFocus
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AAuthority
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TTribe
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EEmotion
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Focus signals

novelty spike
"A source familiar with the situation told NBC News that Thursday's questioning was briefly paused after conservative influencer Benny Johnson posted two pictures of Hillary Clinton during the questioning on social media, which he said were shared with him by Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo."

This detail introduces a sudden, unexpected event that deviates from the main narrative of the deposition itself, creating a 'novelty spike' that captures attention. It details an interruption that is 'breaking news' within the context of the larger story.

unprecedented framing
"This committee has now set a new precedent about talking to presidents and former presidents, and we’re demanding immediately that we ask President Trump to testify in front of our committee and be deposed in front of Oversight Republicans and Democrats..."

The 'new precedent' framing suggests an extraordinary and significant development, presenting the situation as an unprecedented shift in protocol that demands attention.

attention capture
"The in-person interviews come after months of bitter back-and-forth between the former first couple and the committee, which at one point threatened to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress for failing to comply with a subpoena it issued in August."

This highlights a prolonged conflict and high stakes ('threatened to hold...in contempt'), creating a dramatic backdrop intended to capture and sustain reader interest due to the ongoing tension.

Authority signals

institutional authority
"Committee Chair James Comer, R-Ky., said the interview was 'productive.' 'I think we learned a lot,' he said..."

Comer's title as Committee Chair lends institutional weight to his statements, implying that his assessment of the interview's productivity is authoritative.

institutional authority
"Rep. Nancy Mace, R-S.C., said Hillary Clinton 'took every question from every single member' on both sides of the aisle."

Rep. Mace's position as a member of Congress provides her statements with institutional authority and credibility regarding the proceedings.

institutional authority
"The top Democrat on the panel, Rep. Robert Garcia of California, told reporters during a midafternoon break that what Boebert did was 'completely against the rules' and that there should be 'repercussions.'"

Garcia's role as 'top Democrat' on the panel gives his pronouncements about rules violations and 'repercussions' significant institutional weight.

Tribe signals

us vs them
"In her opening statement, the former first lady accused the panel of engaging in partisan 'fishing expeditions' by forcing her and her husband to sit for depositions and said it was interviewing the wrong people."

This quote immediately sets up a clear 'us vs. them' dynamic, with Hillary Clinton (and her allies) portraying the 'panel' (Republicans) as an opposing force engaged in politically motivated attacks rather than legitimate inquiry.

us vs them
"[Y]ou have compelled me to testify, fully aware that I have no knowledge that would assist your investigation, in order to distract attention from President Trump's actions and cover them up despite legitimate calls for answers..."

This extends the us-versus-them dynamic by framing the committee's actions not as investigative, but as a partisan maneuver aimed at protecting Trump and diverting attention, implicitly aligning readers with those seeking 'legitimate calls for answers' against the 'distracting' committee.

us vs them
"Speaking to reporters throughout the day, Democrats on the committee said they hoped that deposing the Clintons would open the door to deposing other prominent politicians named in the files, including President Donald Trump."

This contrasts the Democratic members' stated goal with the perceived motivations of the Republican-led committee, reinforcing a partisan divide and 'us vs. them' interpretation of the investigation's objectives.

us vs them
"The in-person interviews come after months of bitter back-and-forth between the former first couple and the committee, which at one point threatened to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress for failing to comply with a subpoena it issued in August."

The phrase 'bitter back-and-forth' and the threat of 'contempt of Congress' highlight an ongoing, adversarial relationship, clearly delineating two opposing sides and fostering an 'us vs. them' narrative surrounding the investigation.

Emotion signals

outrage manufacturing
"A source familiar with the situation told NBC News that Thursday's questioning was briefly paused after conservative influencer Benny Johnson posted two pictures of Hillary Clinton during the questioning on social media, which he said were shared with him by Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo. ... The top Democrat on the panel, Rep. Robert Garcia of California, told reporters during a midafternoon break that what Boebert did was 'completely against the rules' and that there should be 'repercussions.'"

The description of a breach of protocol by a political figure ('completely against the rules') and the call for 'repercussions' is engineered to provoke outrage and a sense of unfair play among readers who value adherence to established procedures.

outrage manufacturing
"Hillary Clinton said afterward that what happened was 'very upsetting,' because it suggested that Republicans might violate other rules that had been agreed upon."

Hillary Clinton's statement framing the incident as 'very upsetting' and suggesting a broader pattern of potential rule violations by Republicans is designed to elicit outrage and concern from readers about the integrity of the process.

moral superiority
"[Y]ou have compelled me to testify, fully aware that I have no knowledge that would assist your investigation, in order to distract attention from President Trump's actions and cover them up despite legitimate calls for answers."

This statement positions Clinton as a victim of a morally dubious 'distraction' tactic while simultaneously implying moral high ground for those seeking 'legitimate calls for answers' regarding Trump, thus appealing to readers' sense of justice and fair play.

outrage manufacturing
"The in-person interviews come after months of bitter back-and-forth between the former first couple and the committee, which at one point threatened to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress for failing to comply with a subpoena it issued in August."

The phrase 'bitter back-and-forth' and the mention of a threat to hold the Clintons 'in contempt of Congress' are designed to evoke strong negative emotions like frustration, anger, or outrage, suggesting a hostile and contentious environment.

Narrative Analysis (PCP)

How the article reshapes thinking: Perception (what beliefs are targeted), Context (what information is shifted or omitted), and Permission (what behavior is being encouraged).

What it wants you to believe

The article aims to instill the belief that the scrutiny of the Clintons' connections to Jeffrey Epstein is largely a partisan, politically motivated 'fishing expedition' designed to distract from President Trump's own ties to Epstein. It wants the reader to believe that the Clintons have limited, if any, relevant knowledge to offer, and that their cooperation is being reluctantly obtained under duress.

Context being shifted

The article shifts the context from an investigation into potential wrongdoing or knowledge about Epstein's activities to one of political tit-for-tat, where both sides are using the Epstein files to target political opponents. This makes the Clintons' defensive posture and counter-accusations against Trump seem like understandable responses within a political battle, rather than a direct addressing of the substance of the inquiry.

What it omits

The article omits detailed context regarding the full scope of what the committee is investigating beyond the narrow focus shifted to Trump. While mentioning the 'Epstein Files Transparency Act,' it doesn't elaborate on the general public interest or specific new information that might necessitate the Clintons' testimony, other than their previous associations. It also doesn't fully explore the extent of Ghislaine Maxwell's various connections beyond just the Clintons, which might paint a broader picture of her social circles rather than just singling out the Clintons for political reasons, making their involvement seem less anomalous. Crucially, the article focuses heavily on the 'why' (e.g., Trump distraction) rather than the 'what' of the substantive questions being asked of the Clintons, or why the committee believes they have special knowledge beyond what they claim.

Desired behavior

The reader is nudged to view the Clintons as victims of political maneuvering, to be skeptical of the congressional committee's motives, and to direct their scrutiny or criticism towards the committee's partisan intentions and President Trump's connections to Epstein.

SMRP Pattern

Four manipulation maintenance tactics: Socializing the idea as normal, Minimizing concerns, Rationalizing with logic, and Projecting blame.

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Socializing
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Minimizing
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Rationalizing

"In her opening statement, the former first lady accused the panel of engaging in partisan 'fishing expeditions' by forcing her and her husband to sit for depositions and said it was interviewing the wrong people.'[Y]ou have compelled me to testify, fully aware that I have no knowledge that would assist your investigation, in order to distract attention from President Trump's actions and cover them up despite legitimate calls for answers,' she wrote in the statement."

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Projecting

"If this committee is serious about learning the truth about Epstein's trafficking crimes, it would not rely on press gaggles to get answers from our current president on his involvement; it would ask him directly under oath about the tens of thousands of times he shows up in the Epstein files."

Red Flags

High-severity indicators: silencing dissent, coordinated messaging, or weaponizing identity to shut down debate.

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Silencing indicator
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Controlled release (spokesperson test)

"Committee Chair James Comer, R-Ky., said the interview was 'productive.' 'I think we learned a lot,' he said, adding that on some questions involving the Clinton Global Initiative, Hillary Clinton told lawmakers, 'You have to ask my husband.'Rep. Nancy Mace, R-S.C., said Hillary Clinton 'took every question from every single member' on both sides of the aisle.In her opening statement, the former first lady accused the panel of engaging in partisan 'fishing expeditions' by forcing her and her husband to sit for depositions and said it was interviewing the wrong people.'[Y]ou have compelled me to testify, fully aware that I have no knowledge that would assist your investigation, in order to distract attention from President Trump's actions and cover them up despite legitimate calls for answers,' she wrote in the statement."

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Identity weaponization

"'[Y]ou have compelled me to testify, fully aware that I have no knowledge that would assist your investigation, in order to distract attention from President Trump's actions and cover them up despite legitimate calls for answers,' she wrote in the statement."

Techniques Found(6)

Specific propaganda techniques identified using the SemEval-2023 academic taxonomy of 23 techniques across 6 categories.

WhataboutismDistraction
""If this committee is serious about learning the truth about Epstein's trafficking crimes, it would not rely on press gaggles to get answers from our current president on his involvement; it would ask him directly under oath about the tens of thousands of times he shows up in the Epstein files," the statement said."

Hillary Clinton deflects criticism or scrutiny of her involvement by pointing out that the committee should be focusing on President Trump's alleged involvement with Epstein instead.

Name Calling/LabelingAttack on Reputation
"In her opening statement, the former first lady accused the panel of engaging in partisan "fishing expeditions" by forcing her and her husband to sit for depositions and said it was interviewing the wrong people."

Hillary Clinton uses the label 'fishing expeditions' to negatively characterize the committee's investigation, implying it is baseless and politically motivated rather than a legitimate inquiry.

DoubtAttack on Reputation
""No one has accused the Clintons of wrongdoing," he added, but we're "trying to understand many things" about how Epstein operated."

While explicitly stating no accusations of wrongdoing, Comer's statement still casts doubt on the Clintons by implying there are 'many things' to understand about their connection to Epstein, even without direct accusations.

Exaggeration/MinimisationManipulative Wording
""I think he was hosting something or he was at an event and I was in L.A. and I had dinner with him.""

Maxwell minimizes the significance of her encounter with Bill Clinton by using vague and understated language ('hosting something,' 'at an event') to describe what might have been a more substantial interaction, making it seem casual and unimportant.

Obfuscation/VaguenessManipulative Wording
""It was in — was late 2000 and, I don’t know, ’16, ’17, ’18, something in — it was in Los Angeles," she said. "I think he was hosting something or he was at an event and I was in L.A. and I had dinner with him.""

Maxwell's statement uses vague dates ('late 2000 and, I don't know, '16, '17, '18, something') and uncertain descriptions ('I think he was hosting something or he was at an event') to obscure specific details about her last interaction with Bill Clinton, making it difficult to pin down an exact timeline or context.

Loaded LanguageManipulative Wording
""Benny did nothing wrong. Proceeding with deposition,” Boebert said on X a short time later."

Boebert's statement 'Benny did nothing wrong' uses emotionally charged language to preemptively dismiss any potential criticism or accusation against Benny Johnson, framing his actions as completely innocent.

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